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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Sep 12, 2010 11:56pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Biblical References (both Dead and nonDead)

OK, here's the context. My son is studying ancient Sumer, and I realized today that, well, he's really lacking in basic cultural knowledge that stems from the Bible, such as Ur, Abraham, Esau, Babylon, etc. We're not a church-going family, but this is important knowledge for anyone wanting to understand Western literature. So, as a combination of history/literature, I figured we'd spend some time later this week analyzing rock lyrics for references, particularly to the time of Sumer.

The thing is, I guess my brain isn't functioning, cuz I can only think of a few. Obviously My Brother Esau. (And Samson and Delilah, but I'm also trying to stay away from too much Dead, LOL.) There's Bob Marley, of course.

Who can think of others? I don't mean Christian rock, or something like Bullet with Butterfly Wings (Smashing Pumpkins) that makes a quick slam (Tell me I'm the chosen one, Jesus was the only one for you) but doesn't use Biblical references in a more complex way. More like something that can be usefully analyzed. Leonard Cohen's (and Jeff Buckley's) Hallelujah would be good, with the David references, but it's definitely on the way-too-intense side for a 14-year-old (or at least mine).

Thoughts?

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Sep 13, 2010 8:35am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Biblical References (both Dead and nonDead)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GyTdo1nGO0

The chorus "Gloria in te Domine / Gloria exultate" translates to "Glory in you, Lord / Glory, exalt [him]" with "exalt" in the imperative mood, a reference to Psalm 30:2 (in te Domine, speravi). The song also contains references to Colossians 2:9-10 ("Only in You I'm complete") and James 5:7-9 ("The door is open / You're standing there").

That band abounds in such references. I particularly like Waiting for the End of the World - Judas' perspective on Jesus.
"Until the End of the World" is a song by rock band U2 and the fourth track from their 1991 album Achtung Baby. The song began as a guitar riff composed by lead vocalist Bono from a demo, which the band revisited with success after talking with German filmmaker Wim Wenders about providing music for his film Until the End of the World. The song's lyrics describe a fictional conversation between Jesus Christ and Judas Iscariot. The first verse discusses The Last Supper; the second is about Judas identifying Jesus with a kiss on the cheek in the Garden of Gethsemane; and the final is about Judas' suicide after being overwhelmed with guilt and sadness.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vHoj-PBGzs&;feature=related

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Poster: clementinescaboose Date: Sep 13, 2010 12:41am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Biblical References (both Dead and nonDead)

Althea, i think a great Dead song would be Greatest Story Ever Told. tons of references in that one.

i'm blanking a bit myself, it being late and all. more tomorrow if they come to me.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Sep 13, 2010 12:48am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Biblical References (both Dead and nonDead)

Yup, I know I'm on a different time zone than most!

Greatest Story ... that would be a challenging analysis. Maybe I'd have to assign the Monkeywrench Gang too, LOL!

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Poster: wineland Date: Sep 13, 2010 8:37am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Biblical References (both Dead and nonDead)

Since you won't take Iron Maiden recommendations I'll give you Johnny Cash. Here's an except from the wiki article of "The Man Comes Around":

"The Man Comes Around" is the title track from Johnny Cash's American IV: The Man Comes Around, released in 2002. It is one of the last songs Cash wrote in his life.

Of the album's fifteen tracks, only three were written by Cash, with "The Man Comes Around" the sole song specifically penned for it. Both sung and spoken, the song makes numerous Biblical references, especially from the Book of Revelation. The titular "Man" inferentially refers to Jesus Christ and the Second Coming.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Man_Comes_Around_(song)

Lyrics:

Opening Introduction (Spoken part)

And I heard as it were the noise of thunder
One of the four beasts saying come and see and I saw
And behold a white horse

Song

There's a man going around taking names
And he decides who to free and who to blame
Everybody won't be treated all the same
There'll be a golden ladder reaching down
When the Man comes around

The hairs on your arm will stand up
At the terror in each sip and in each sup
Will you partake of that last offered cup?
Or disappear into the potter's ground
When the Man comes around

Hear the trumpets, hear the pipers
One hundred million angels singing
Multitudes are marching to the big kettledrum
Voices calling, voices crying
Some are born and some are dying
It's Alpha and Omega's kingdom come

And the whirlwind is in the thorn tree
The virgins are all trimming their wicks
The whirlwind is in the thorn tree
It's hard for thee to kick against the pricks

Till Armageddon no shalam, no shalom
Then the father hen will call his chickens home
The wise man will bow down before the throne
And at His feet they'll cast their golden crowns
When the Man comes around

Whoever is unjust let him be unjust still
Whoever is righteous let him be righteous still
Whoever is filthy let him be filthy still
Listen to the words long written down
When the Man comes around

Hear the trumpets, hear the pipers
One hundred million angels singing
Multitudes are marching to the big kettledrum
Voices calling and voices crying
Some are born and some are dying
It's Alpha and Omega's kingdom come

And the whirlwind is in the thorn tree
The virgins are all trimming their wicks
The whirlwind is in the thorn tree
It's hard for thee to kick against the pricks

In measured hundred weight and penney pound
When the Man comes around.

Close (Spoken part)
And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts
And I looked and behold, a pale horse
And his name that sat on him was Death
And Hell followed with him.

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Poster: whirlwind dreamer 65-95 Date: Sep 13, 2010 6:21am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Biblical References (both Dead and nonDead)

try jerry bands gommorah http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lC6Swa2Mi9o&;feature=related http://www.lyricstime.com/jerry-garcia-gomorrah-lyrics.html or theres always black sabbath http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkmyZ8juZWw http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/AFTER-FOREVER-lyrics-Black-Sabbath/C8E0C3D248E1F137482568B70013E60C :) he's gone!!~

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Sep 13, 2010 6:39am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Biblical References (both Dead and nonDead)

No, there is never Black Sabbath. Sorry. Or, let's see, Metallica or Guns n Boring or whatever in that vein. Both my ears and my stomach would go into revolt, and fortunately my son has enough of a survival instinct to Always Agree With Mommy. On that, anyway.

Most everything else musically is fair game. (The Dead Kennedys, for instance, would pass Weird Mommy Muster. Will Elvis take the place of Jesus in a thousand years? Hmmm, musically a thumbs up, but not quite right for this project ...)

I also might draw the line on, say, Journey, which I understand is having a revival in the teen set. (Heeeelp!!!!) Hey, it's my house, I get to make the rules :-)

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Poster: BVD Date: Sep 13, 2010 6:57am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Biblical References (both Dead and nonDead)

Dylan?

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Sep 13, 2010 7:46am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Biblical References (both Dead and nonDead)

Dylan would be the mother load . Way before his "Christian Period", there are plenty of Biblical imagery, and symbols . I am sure, I have not looked, there are sites , books, that go in depth on this . Michael Grey has written about this, in his Dylan books, for instance . My brain is still too sluggish this morning , but "Tombstone Blues", and "Highway 61", and the entire "John Westley Harding" album abound in the biblical reflerenes ( we were talking about "Watchtower" yesterday ).
As for songs with reference to Sumer itself, maybe some songs with reference to Gilgemesh, Nimrod, The Tower of Babel ...
By the time Abraham left Ur , the old Sumerian culture had be mostly passed on to the newer Semitic speaking peoples , The Babylonians, the Assyrian, and thus to the "Hebrews" .
Enough, I need more coffee ...

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Poster: whirlwind dreamer 65-95 Date: Sep 13, 2010 7:10am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Biblical References (both Dead and nonDead)

survival instinct. i like that yeah sabbath could be hard on young minds. it was on mine lol!!!trouble was i liked it.you could always try shamballa http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDpVS7D9AJs :)

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Poster: duckpond74 Date: Sep 13, 2010 8:41am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Biblical References (both Dead and nonDead)

Robert Johnson and others never gave due credit where credit is due . . . 'Come On In My Kitchen' and others that have the verse 'Don't want no peaches, don't shake no tree. Get out of my garden let my peaches be.' Nearly word for word taken from 'The Confessions Of St. Augustine' (the Penguin Classics translation) - classic stuff. BTW I was 13 when I read 'The Confessions ...' for the first time - highly influential at the time, I still find it a good read.

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Sep 13, 2010 7:36am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Biblical References (both Dead and nonDead)

They don't come much classier than Stryper.

http://images.clubzone.com/images/upload/stryper.jpg



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Poster: Jack o' Roses Date: Sep 13, 2010 5:44pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Biblical References - Rastafarian "Words of Wisdom"

Will this help?

Check out http://homepage.ntlworld.com/davebulow/wow/index.htm

"Greetings and welcome to Words of Wisdom!

This website is dedicated to matching Reggae song lyrics to Biblical quotations. Thank you for visiting.
May JAH guide thy coming in and protect thy going out
- Deuteronomy 28:6, Psalm 121:8

Many reggae songs - especially those inspired by Rastafari - contain biblical quotations, references, and allusions. Sometimes these are quite obvious, taken as direct quotes from scripture, but in other cases they may be adapted to fit a rhythm or rhyme, and will therefore be less easy to pin-point."

See the site for specific BMW & plenty of other references

Also Jerry's cover of Sisters & Brothers (written by Charles B. Johnson, a member of the Sensational Nightingales) is taken from, among other references, Psalms 91 & from the following album (*I believe*):

Artist: The Sensational Nightingales

Album: My Sisters And Brothers

Label: Peacock LP 59209

Year: 1974

Producer: Ira Tucker

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Sep 13, 2010 11:21am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Biblical References (both Dead and nonDead)

Lady , that is a tough one . Praise and worship music 50 ways to Sunday . Straight out testament faith music is hard to find .
I do not read Hebrew . I suggest that as an aside .( A few words here , a few there , then you have a bagel with lox - how bad is that ? :) The psalms are songs .
I did not go with references or praise & worship music , straight out history as much as I could .

Gates of Eden - Dylan
God Gave Names to all the Animals - Dylan
By the Rivers of Babylon - just put Willie Nelson in
Black Wings - Tom Waits
It's Gonna Rain - Violent Femmes
Igziabeher - Peter Tosh -> a good link ,

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/davebulow/wow/lyrics_peter_tosh_-_igziabeher.htm

I am assuming you are near the end of Genesis . Contact for any help , AR . We have done this a few times .

Hey , when you get to the next chapter I wonder what song rec you will get first ?
I do not know if you have ever read the Book through , but the first time I did I was shocked by how bad many of these people were . I thought they were supposed to be good , right ? That is far from the case . Even Abraham .
This is one of the most revolting passages in the Bible , which you may have already read , Genesis 19:4-10 .

The ESV is the best study Bible for any purpose .( English Standard Version , published by Crossway )
Gotta know the Bible to know Western art , poetry , literature , ect . well . Have fun .


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Poster: ducats Date: Sep 13, 2010 5:46am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Biblical References (both Dead and nonDead)

isn't it Summer?

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Sep 13, 2010 6:01am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Biblical References (both Dead and nonDead)

Um, that's the disco singer.

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Poster: angular Date: Sep 13, 2010 3:35am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Biblical References (both Dead and nonDead)

King Solomon's Marbles.

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Poster: Purple Gel Date: Sep 13, 2010 8:07am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Biblical References (both Dead and nonDead)

Check out Rev Gary Davis, the composer of Samson & Delilah. Good old timey Delta Blues with a gospel feel.

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Poster: SkyDawg Date: Sep 13, 2010 11:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Biblical References (both Dead and nonDead)

Bob Dylan did a really cool "Theme Time Radio Hour" program a few years back that I have on CD. The theme was (of course) the Bible, and he had loads of cool songs and commentary. Very eclectic and fun to listen to! It can be found on Hunger City's torrent site for download.

The Bible

It's night time in the Big City
a girl goes through the medicine cabinet of the man who brought her home
a ringing phone goes unanswered

“For the next hour we're gonna be playin' music about Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus and Numbers, Deuteronomy, Joshua, Judges, The Wisdom of Solomon, First Maccabees and Second Maccabees, First Samuel and Second Samuel, First Kings, Second Kings. We're gonna be playing stuff that comes out of the Psalms and the Proverbs. You know all of these. Jonah and Malachi – how come nobody's named Malachi any more? We're gonna be playing music that has something to do with Nehemia, Esther, Job, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. And of course, The Book of Revelations. So gather the family around the radio and hear the good news. Seek and you shall find.”

The Singers and the Songs
Rev. J.M. Gates – Are You Bound for Heaven or Hell (the man who effectively started the short craze for preachers on record. There are a few options, such as Document's "Complete Recorded Works Vol. 5" (probably the easiest to obtain) or the now deleted, but still found from time to time collection on Columbia/Legacy named after this side. Incidentally, if pursuing the Document path, don't forget to look at Vol. 1, which contains his classic side 'Death's Black Train'.)

The Yayhoos -- Bottle and a Bible (Terry Anderson, Chris Baird, Eric Ambel)
“If you have to choose between the bottle and a bible, you might be needing a 12 Step Program, which was started by Bill Wilson, who helped spread the idea that drinking was a disease. If you feel 12 steps aren't enough for ya, may I recommend the Alfred Hitchcock Classic, The 39 Steps . If you have to go higher than 39 steps just remember, one might be too many, and a hundred might not be enough.” (comes from their album "Fear Not The Obvious" .)

Rev. Gary Davis – Samson and Delilah “Like a lot of other street performers, he always put gospel songs in among his blues to make it harder for the police to interrupt him.” (another piece which has received more than one recording. The 1956 version was the first time though, and it originally appeared on an LP called "Harlem Street Spirituals" on the Riverside label (this may have been re-issued on a CD split with Pink Anderson, called "Gospel, Blues And Street Songs". I'm not 100% sure on this, but the disc certainly has the Riverside logo on it). Another version was recorded in 1960, and was re-issued on Original Blues Classics as "Harlem Street Singer". Both CDs may now be deleted, but s/h copies are not uncommon.)

Kitty Wells – He Will Set Your Fields on Fire (so far I've only found this song on another Bear Family box "Queen Of Country Music".)

Wynonie Harris – Adam Come And Get Your Rib (another one from the Ace release "Lovin' Machine".)

AA Gray and Seven Foot Dilly – The Old Ark's A-Moving (a pretty obscure side, this one can be found for the moment on a Document CD "John Dilleshaw - The Complete Recorded Works 1929-1930". When I was buying another disc on Document's site earlier this week, I noticed that this CD was being sold for about £2, so it might just be that stock is being cleared.

Washington Phillips – Denomination Blues “He was a pioneering gospel performer of the 20's. Recorded only 18 songs but, boy, what songs!” (a very different sound, this can be found on a disc of his entire output on Yazoo, called "The Key To The Kingdom".)

The Four Interenes – I'm Using My Bible For A Road Map (this features on an excellent Ace CD called "The Best Of King Gospel".)

Bob preceeded this track with a snatch of the original by Reno & Smiley. (This is on the "Collector's Box Set" of their complete works)

Ollabelle (lead singer Amy Helm) – Elijah Rock (is on Ollabelle's self-titled album.)

The Melodians – The Rivers Of Babylon (is on a compilation of the group's output called "Rivers Of Babylon: The Best Of The Melodians 1967-1973".)

Blind Willie Johnson – The Revelator (this can be found on several Blind Willie CDs, including the "Complete..." on Columbia, and "Sweeter As The Years Go By" on Yazoo.)

Jess Willard – Boogie Woogie Preaching Man (is on "Honky Tonk Hardwood Floor".)

The Swan Silvertones – Oh Mary Don't You Weep “If you listened closely to that song you might have heard Claude Jeter say, ‘I'll be your bridge over deep water, if you trust in my name' – a phrase that inspired Paul Simon, a few years later, to write some song.” (from this mighty gospel group's final phase at VeeJay comes this. It can be found on Charly's "Move Up".)

The Robins – That's What The Good Book Says “Biblical in scope, rhythm and blues in nature. This is the kind of bible study you don't get in Sunday school...And what's a rhythm and blues gospel song without a vibraphone solo, that one probably played by Johnny Otis” is on "Modern Vocal Groups Vol. 1" (on Ace (an alternative take is on the same company's "Mellow Cats N' Kittens: Hot R&B And Cool Blues 1946-1952"). )

Other singers, players, etc.
The Georgia Satellites
Steve Earle
Bill Wilson
The Philistines
Johnny Wright (of Johnny and Jack)
Moses
Sir Thomas Brown
Michelangelo
Rafael
Lowell Stokes ? (fiddle player)
Harry Geiger ? (fiddle player)
Joe Brown ? (fiddle player)
Sir Nathan
Hank Penny
Reno and Smiley – (clip from their version of “I'm Using My Bible for a Road Map”)
Levon Helm
T-Bone Burnett “He's always been a man of great taste.”
Roger McGuinn
Jess Willard
Jack Johnson
Jack Guthrie
Johnny Horton
Jimmy Bryant
Speedy West
Al Green
The Coasters

Other Songs and Albums
Fear Not The Obvious
Bloodshot Eyes
Honky Tonk Hardwood Floor

The Places
Gaza
The Brook of Sorec
Nashville
Israel
Simsboro, TX
Babylon
Jamaica
Euphrates River
Chebar River
Baghdad

The Movies
The 39 Steps
The Ten Commandments
The Night of the Hunter
Life of Brian

The Record Labels
King Records
Veejay Records

Guest
Keb Mo

“Well, it's time for me to say goodbye and turn the other cheek and head out of the Abernathy Building, down the street, past the church, and down to Sampson's Diner. And in the meantime, eat, drink, and be merry and forgive them, for they know not what they do. We'll see you next week on Theme Time Radio Hour. Amen.”

“Remember, blessed are the peacemakers .”